@alcinnz Nice one I'll have a look at Odysseus possibly GNOME web is a shout too.
I'm made this for civilian non-tech types like my mum primarily. Maybe if they used Firefox for a couple of days they might think "this is fine" and then move on to use DuckDuckGo and so on.
I'm trying to keep it relatively simple at this point to see if I can get any traction.
@jamesmullarkey Far enough.
If you had a "Linux" section, these browsers would fit nicely there. But I can understand if you don't feel that's appropriate.
Packaging for Mac/Windows is a significant step up for us in terms of effort and responsibility because then we do have to bundle the engine rather than just depend on it.
@nurinoas @jamesmullarkey There's Firefox Focus & the browsers it's inspired like elementary's Ephemeral, but otherwise I don't know of any others. These browsers essentially serves to help you curate the browser history you allow into your main browser.
As for my work on Odysseus I'll probably encourage people to install Ephemeral for this feature...
@jamesmullarkey I tried to get my family to switch....
@jamesmullarkey Yeah, they don't care at all.
Tricky some people not bothered about privacy I guess.
What about anti-trust / competition Chrome is bad for that. Have a look at all the reasons to switch I could come up specifically on Chrome.
@jamesmullarkey Yeah, I've talked about must points. That don't care at all.
Sorry :( Google is bad stuff -Sidewalk labs, project mavern, adding to the climate crisis?
You can't win em all
@jamesmullarkey Your website uses the Roboto font, commissioned by Google and central to their brand. I happen to have it installed on my system so the site looks pretty googly 😉
@despens it's a good point - i knew it was similar but didn't know they developed it. I'd used it to mock them more than anything and I downloaded a local version and blocked Google fonts. I may have to bin it off moving forward.
@jamesmullarkey Except for the literally millions of people using Chrome OS devices that aren't compatible with the version that allows sandboxed Linux apps.
@jamesmullarkey I don't really believe this is going to work, but there's no harm in trying, so I boosted :-)
@isagalaev OK thanks!
@dsfgs Tor users aren't the target audience, see:
@jamesmullarkey Interesting, like the approach, even though it gets complex if you take a closer look - in example at Firefox and Mozilla funding (and its at least partial dependency upon money raised by including Google as search engine). 😐
@_microbe101 Sure. Still I wonder whether Mozilla and Firefox would be able to survive without Google funding. Same goes for some other FLOSS entities (GNOME...) that count Google and similar industry heavyweights as regular important donors. How "Libre" is that really if it's essentially "gratis" because of a large industry funding it...? Tough question, in my opinion.
@jamesmullarkey Yes. That's something I'm also afraid of. I'd be much more "happy" knowing I had some option to pay a fair amount of money for a Firefox environment that lives completely off a community backing it and doesn't *need* any contracts with search engines to pay any of its operations.
@z428 @_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey
What's Kristall clear here, is that a totally different economic model is required. Alphabet has nothing that was not given to them by everybody who's been working in Tech or online in the past decades. Now, if, and it's a big "if", this "everybody" realises this power, Internet & Digital Comms tech could still become something more useful than just another tool to "sell you shit you don't need"
@z428 @_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey
I think an important challenge here is to get one's head out of the silicon valley promoted idea that tech is liberating, and that valley tech, optimisation, machine assistance, etc.. (a.k.a. alphabet et al) will somehow liberate society from a tyrannical system of nation state governments generally referred to as "democracy", by replacing this with a tyrannical system of corporate control to be known as "democracy"
@z428 lndeed. There is no perfect solution to any list of browsers. This is the best I could come up with :)
@jamesmullarkey Yeah of course, no offense intended. That's quite a messy thing to deal with anyway. At the moment, I'm using #Brave without much enthusiasm. Don't like Brendan Eich very much, and the browser always builds on Chrome but at least they seem the only ones so far to make a balance and actually try to fix privacy in a "gratis-as-in-tracking-funded" web. 😐
@jamesmullarkey Too bad the site is behind a Tor wall. 😢
@tagomago sorry yeah definitely something I want to sort out in the future :)
@aran I see your point but I'm going for regular folk and trying to be a starting point. If you use Firefox and it's OK you might then use DDG and so on. A small gesture to trigger another :)
@jordila thanks I'll have a look but decided not to include any chromium based browsers. :)
I've been an 'alternative' browser user since the advent of Netscape, migrating and staying with Mozilla since. I've tried most all the other alternatives. I use Waterfox as a backup, Firefox as main. Quantum was a major success performance leap for Mozilla. With uBlock Origin and Cookie Autodelete, specific Firefox settings, I've been able to surf with some confidence of control, while still being able to go wherever I deem safe and worthwhile. Balance, as well as control.
Nice one. Just need to convince everyone else now :)
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