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What's the one thing every web user can do to fight ?

Replace the Google Chrome browser

I've started a new website to send a message to Google that we prefer the internet without them

notochrome.org/

@jamesmullarkey Another non-Chrome/Blink browser: I've been creating "Odysseus" to explore decentralized means of discovering web pages. It's coming together very nicely!

Or what about GNOME Web?

appstream:com.github.alcinnz.odysseus
odysseus.adrian.geek.nz/

@alcinnz Nice one I'll have a look at Odysseus possibly GNOME web is a shout too.

I'm made this for civilian non-tech types like my mum primarily. Maybe if they used Firefox for a couple of days they might think "this is fine" and then move on to use DuckDuckGo and so on.

I'm trying to keep it relatively simple at this point to see if I can get any traction.

@jamesmullarkey Far enough.

If you had a "Linux" section, these browsers would fit nicely there. But I can understand if you don't feel that's appropriate.

Packaging for Mac/Windows is a significant step up for us in terms of effort and responsibility because then we do have to bundle the engine rather than just depend on it.

@alcinnz
IMHO, #firefox is the only browser that can be set to automatically delete temporary files including cookies upon exit.

Or can others do that as well?
@jamesmullarkey

@nurinoas @jamesmullarkey There's Firefox Focus & the browsers it's inspired like elementary's Ephemeral, but otherwise I don't know of any others. These browsers essentially serves to help you curate the browser history you allow into your main browser.

As for my work on Odysseus I'll probably encourage people to install Ephemeral for this feature...

@silmathoron @alcinnz @jamesmullarkey cool tip, thanks!
These settings are hidden behind 3 dialogues.
Typical for #kde

@gudenau

Tricky some people not bothered about privacy I guess.

What about anti-trust / competition Chrome is bad for that. Have a look at all the reasons to switch I could come up specifically on Chrome.

notochrome.org/google-products

@jamesmullarkey Yeah, I've talked about must points. That don't care at all.

@gudenau

Sorry :( Google is bad stuff -Sidewalk labs, project mavern, adding to the climate crisis?

You can't win em all

@jamesmullarkey Your website uses the Roboto font, commissioned by Google and central to their brand. I happen to have it installed on my system so the site looks pretty googly πŸ˜‰

@despens it's a good point - i knew it was similar but didn't know they developed it. I'd used it to mock them more than anything and I downloaded a local version and blocked Google fonts. I may have to bin it off moving forward.

@jamesmullarkey @despens on that note, notochrome also parses as Noto Chrome, Noto being another Google font. I was confused since I originally read it as notchrome, then got stuck on Noto Chrome.

@jamesmullarkey Except for the literally millions of people using Chrome OS devices that aren't compatible with the version that allows sandboxed Linux apps.

@dajbelshaw @jamesmullarkey They’ve voted for the web they want with their money.

@jamesmullarkey I don't really believe this is going to work, but there's no harm in trying, so I boosted :-)

@jamesmullarkey
We just tried to access this site you created over #Tor #Privacy #Browser.

It doesn't appear to be working.

@dsfgs arr OK I'm sorry about that.

I really want it to work with @torproject and also have a dat:// version in the future.

I'm not a Dev so learning curve steep with all this

@jamesmullarkey Interesting, like the approach, even though it gets complex if you take a closer look - in example at Firefox and Mozilla funding (and its at least partial dependency upon money raised by including Google as search engine). 😐

@_microbe101 Sure. Still I wonder whether Mozilla and Firefox would be able to survive without Google funding. Same goes for some other FLOSS entities (GNOME...) that count Google and similar industry heavyweights as regular important donors. How "Libre" is that really if it's essentially "gratis" because of a large industry funding it...? Tough question, in my opinion.

@jamesmullarkey

#googlesearch

@z428 @_microbe101 survive I think yes but obviously at a different scale. The Google money is a crazy high % of their income though.

@jamesmullarkey Yes. That's something I'm also afraid of. I'd be much more "happy" knowing I had some option to pay a fair amount of money for a Firefox environment that lives completely off a community backing it and doesn't *need* any contracts with search engines to pay any of its operations.

@_microbe101

@z428 The bad thing is: Even, if you use browsers like Midori, most often the browser engine is the Google one. Coding a browser engine seems to be no simple task.

Because of this I was astonished, how compatible min ist. This browser is entirely written in Javascript. But I think, the browser engine may also be the Google one?!? Don't know. Writing a browser engine in JS would be crazy, I think...



@jamesmullarkey @_microbe101

@herrdoering @z428 @jamesmullarkey
#GNUicecat 1/2 is a firefox esr fork with implemented wrapper, but has also goo gl
search, with the opt.out (remove)
on mobile, from #fdroid
i have other options to switch, by ever
link i wan't to open, non of them are set as default browser.

@herrdoering @z428 @jamesmullarkey
2/2 is it a known #securityfail & #privacyrisk to
enable the "send a do not track request" flag?
only in #incognito modus was the right setting, because always on DNT makes you more outstanding for #fingerprinting ?
@herrdoering

@herrdoering @z428 @_microbe101 Midori uses a Google stuff? That would suprise me. Tbh the midori website is so suspect I'm thinking of removing it.

@jamesmullarkey Sorry, the engine of #Midori is #WebKit and this is not from Google, it is from Apple.

https://github.com/midori-browser/core

So it's not Google, but still it is not selfwritten. Another browser, which uses #WebKitGtk is #Epiphany.

@z428 @_microbe101

@z428 @_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey
What's Kristall clear here, is that a totally different economic model is required. Alphabet has nothing that was not given to them by everybody who's been working in Tech or online in the past decades. Now, if, and it's a big "if", this "everybody" realises this power, Internet & Digital Comms tech could still become something more useful than just another tool to "sell you shit you don't need"

@kino Yes. Fully agree. I am, however, unsure who should be spear-heading the movement to trigger change towards a totally different economic model, let alone knowing how exactly it should look like... 😟

@_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey

@z428 @_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey
I think an important challenge here is to get one's head out of the silicon valley promoted idea that tech is liberating, and that valley tech, optimisation, machine assistance, etc.. (a.k.a. alphabet et al) will somehow liberate society from a tyrannical system of nation state governments generally referred to as "democracy", by replacing this with a tyrannical system of corporate control to be known as "democracy"

@z428 @_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey
If we keep it minimal and only consider this different model in current context, (otherwise we get into a debate on the entire system!) - There might be something to be said for having what might be considered basic, or essential services only run as non profits.

@z428 @_microbe101 @jamesmullarkey
As for who, I do think the EU /might/ be relevant here. But we do need to not see govt as a problem and tech as a solution. hmm.. but in order to do that we first need to implement something like "democracy"

@kino @z428 @jamesmullarkey agree with you **kino** strong & active democracy should be impl. in the €U.

in the meantime, the eu- headqu. making to much regulations in a sect0r they don't know exactly, from my point of view.

@z428 lndeed. There is no perfect solution to any list of browsers. This is the best I could come up with :)

@jamesmullarkey Yeah of course, no offense intended. That's quite a messy thing to deal with anyway. At the moment, I'm using #Brave without much enthusiasm. Don't like Brendan Eich very much, and the browser always builds on Chrome but at least they seem the only ones so far to make a balance and actually try to fix privacy in a "gratis-as-in-tracking-funded" web. 😐

@tagomago sorry yeah definitely something I want to sort out in the future :)

@aran I see your point but I'm going for regular folk and trying to be a starting point. If you use Firefox and it's OK you might then use DDG and so on. A small gesture to trigger another :)

@aran @jamesmullarkey
I'm quite happy with slippery sliding from NO to chrome, NO to the six letter word, to delete, to fuck off. Actually, first fuck off, then delete.

@kino @jamesmullarkey Yeah I'm happy with slippery slopes if they're going in that direction πŸ˜ƒ

@jamesmullarkey I'm wondering, have you considered the possibility of adding browsers like #Chromium or even better... #Iridium ?

@jordila thanks I'll have a look but decided not to include any chromium based browsers. :)

@jamesmullarkey

I've been an 'alternative' browser user since the advent of Netscape, migrating and staying with Mozilla since. I've tried most all the other alternatives. I use Waterfox as a backup, Firefox as main. Quantum was a major success performance leap for Mozilla. With uBlock Origin and Cookie Autodelete, specific Firefox settings, I've been able to surf with some confidence of control, while still being able to go wherever I deem safe and worthwhile. Balance, as well as control.

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